Less than one week after Kanye West praised Adolf Hitler in an interview with conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, West—flanked by white supremacist Nick Fuentes—joined Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes to demand that Jews “forgive Hitler.”
The 45-minute episode, titled “Saving Ye” on alt-right video platform Censored.TV, opens with McInnes in an airport venting his desire to “prevent Ye West from becoming anti-Semitic or Nazi” and to “talk him from cliff ledge.” In the same breath, McInnes expresses his hope to show West that “our problem is liberal elites of all races,” going on to name two black leaders, Kamala Harris and Barack Obama, as a “big problem.”
McInnes, co-founder of Deputy who left the media company in 2008, was banned from Twitter, Facebook and Instagram in 2018 for promoting content related to violent extremist groups and hate speech. In 2020, his YouTube account was suspended for violating the platform’s hate speech policies. His timely interview with the rapper coincides with a flurry of media attention stemming from a Yeezy fashion show in October where West displayed “White Lives Matter” shirts. While McInnes’ Censored.TV Twitter account has just under 16,000 followers, West had millions by comparison – before he was banned – and currently has over 18 million followers on Instagram.
Before McInnes meets with West and Fuentes, he says he will meet them at a safe location in Los Angeles. The camera cuts to the 45-minute interview with West and Fuentes, which McInnes points out takes place just two days after the InfoWars debacle. West, whose face is covered by a mask, begins by boasting that the backlash from his earlier interview has been “fantastic for a presidential campaign” before blaming the Jewish people for Hitler’s “rumor” and comparing abortion to “eugenics.” “genocide”. and “Holocaust”. West also repeats his claims that “Jews control the majority of the media, along with banks, along with real estate, along with shopping malls.” He adds: “They can control the narrative. History is written by the winners.”
Later in the interview, McInnes repeats an earlier claim that “ethnomasochism” is a “genetic white thing,” which Fuentes counters by saying that “liberalism has poisoned the well for white people.” Fuentes takes the moment to delve into a thread about his childhood, claiming that “kids love Hitler” and that there is something compelling about the videos, propaganda and symbols. When McInnes questions Fuentes’ claim, the Holocaust denier clarifies that he is referring to children on 4chan.
Fuentes has been labeled a “white supremacist” by the Justice Department and founded the America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC) in 2020—a far-right competitor to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC)—and has connections to the far right. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar.
Earlier in the episode, West claims “that there is collusion between Jewish lawyers and leaders and everything else you can think of” that “gives America porn.” West goes on to say that porn is “the gas chamber, it’s a silent killer” to “dumb us down.” He also cites his ex-wife, Kim Kardashian, who he claims is being used to “sell it”. West — who allegedly used porn to bully and control his staff — returns to this point later, saying that porn “destroyed” his family and that women in porn are “products of pedophilia.” In a move that jettisons female empowerment in favor of body shaming, West adds that women on Instagram “showing off their bodies” in their 30s and 40s are freezing their eggs because they haven’t “lived the dream of having a husband and children.”
West then urges people to “pray for Instagram” and condemns anyone who likes a photo of a “woman who is half-naked” as a “sexual predator”.
Sensing perhaps an opportunity to give his male ego a much-needed boost, McInnes goes on to call out “spinners who don’t pay attention to the times” the “new journalists” who are out to “cancel” and “sabotage family men. ”
At one point, McInnes gives West a hypothetical question. “So you’re the president of the United States,” says McInnes. “It’s day one and somebody comes in and they say, ‘So what are we going to do about these Jews?’ What do you say?” West responds, eliciting giggles from Fuentes and McInnes: “Jews should work for Christians. I’d hire a Jewish person in a minute if I knew they weren’t a spy and I could look through their phone and follow through their house and have a camera in their living room.”
When asked if he has chosen a running mate, West says he considered Candace Owens (who wore a matching “White Lives Matter” shirt at the show), but that he has a problem with Ben Shapiro, who is “in control over the voice of Candace Owens”. .” Owens is a talk show host on Daily managementwhich Shapiro co-founded.
The Proud Boys founder fires off a series of final questions. While West responds that he would make abortion illegal, he balks at giving his “policies on immigration” and “fortifying a wall,” responding that he doesn’t “have a clear answer right away on that.” When asked about gay marriage, West says all of his policies will “follow the Bible.” This triggers McInnes and Fuentes to go off on a reprehensible tangent relating homosexuals and trans people to “mental illness”.
Despite spending the majority of the interview condemning the Jewish community and women who have not given birth before the age of 30, West ends the interview by declaring his love for “everyone”. Referring to his campaign, which has yet to be filed, West says “the rules of the land will be based on the Bible” and that “we will bring the Constitution into line with the Bible.”
“Jewish people can’t tell me who I can love and who I can’t love,” he continues. “You can’t say, you can’t force your pain on everyone else. Jewish people, forgive Hitler today.”
West’s comments tie back to a recent one Rolling stones piece by George Chidi, who writes that “at some base level, white racists love to hear a black voice articulate ideas that they themselves cannot say publicly without backlash.” As Chidi points out, men like McInnes and Fuentes “get to wear blackface with Ye” as their “based proxy.”